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11-26-2004, 04:49 PM #1000000000Guest
The title to this thread is meant to be humorous. I don't own the domain name (yet), and probably never will. But now that I've published it on the net I'm adopting it as my unregistered trademark for discussions about bloopers many web hosts make.
These threads will serve two purposes. The first purpose I admit is selfish... to use someone elses webspace to write notes to myself of things to never do (I am being 50% humorous here); the second purpose is... well to share those notes with everyone else.
So, here is my first note:
Today I'm bored out of my mind (a side effect of all that turkey I ate yesterday), so while browsing through some other forums this morning (I'm ashamed), I noticed this little hosting request...
Im willing to spent up to 70 dollars/year (USD). I know im poor though so go figure.
Basically Im looking for a host that will offer
1GB (roughly) in space
15 - 20B in Bandwidth
50 + mysql, ftp, sub domain, emails, etc
cpanel (w/ fantasitico if not its not a big deal)
addon at least 1 more domain
take CC's not only paypal (visa here, i have no paypal)
take my domain on namecheap.com (allow me to simply add your nameserver without having you buy from you or transfer domains)
I realize people are going to post saying "Thats insane, nobody would offer that for that price" or "Good luck finding what you need, I doubt anyone would offer such a package"
But if there is any host out there that would go as far as meeting my requirments.... please, do post
Now before you say "so..." and then point out the obvious fact that these requests are normal, I just want to point out why any host will likely lose their shirt on this deal.
Lately web hosts have become very price conscious, to the point that most of them will only remember "...1GB (roughly) in space" and "...15 - 20B in Bandwidth" when they finish reading the request. Some will quickly do their math, and then post their offer. But, they will lose their shirt in this deal and become the newest example of Lose-Your-Shirt-Hosting.Com.
Before you think that reply swelling up in your mind, let me show you why...
Im willing to spent up to 70 dollars/year (USD)...
Basically Im looking for a host that will offer...
...1GB (roughly) in space
...15 - 20B in Bandwidth
...50 + mysql, ftp, sub domain, emails, etc
...take CC's not only paypal (visa here, i have no paypal)
For those readers who haven't caught on yet... he really wants 50+ MySQL data bases. Now this may be no big deal, after all many of us offer unlimited databases with our hosting plans (I'm guilty of this too). But if this guy runs 50 different and even slightly popular forums or database driven websites on that account, no one else will be using that server. The processes alone will create the biggest server load you may have ever experienced in your hosting career.
If you own or lease your own dedicated servers, I'm sure you have no problems seeing the problem. And you know all too well the cost of running those servers. However, many if not most resellers are clueless about the true cost of hosting (hmmm... sounds like another thread to me). If you are a reseller on a shared server and you hosted this guy, you might find yourself and all of your customers booted off the server faster than you can ask why (ouch... too blunt).
Worse yet, if you accept his payment by credit card, after you lose your account or boot him off for abuse, he will cancel his credit card payment and stick you with a reverse charge. You really will lose your shirt!
For those of you with a developed sense of the dark-side... I want to point out something I find fascinating. This guys request does not appear out of the ordinary (not until you take a closer look). If his intentions where innocent, he could have just visited any of the websites posted in the forum area right next to the hosting request area. You know, the one usually entitled "Hosting Offers". He could have found a dozen hosts to meet his space and bandwidth requirements in the same amount of time it took him to type his post. However, by posting in the request area instead, he will have affectively bypassed the TOS and/or AUP of any host that makes an offer in reply. In the United States under the UCC (Uniform Commercial Code), this could be construed as "implied acceptance" of the terms of the request. In otherwards, if the guy is a real jerk, he might be able to force the host to provide the services offered.
11-26-2004, 05:37 PM #2
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- Jan 2004
Well I would have to say I personally would never accept that offer
1GB multi-homed tier 1 bandwidth costs around $1 per GB when in bulk. It can cost up to $2 and at most data centers you will see overages charged at $1.5
However I totally agree with you. In a way that is why all resellers and even shared hosting is overselling.
If you offer a shared server nothing is stoping them doing exactly the same. You dont need 50 databases, hell you can do it with one as there is no limit to the amount of tables you can have.
In the end it is a risk you have to take and that is why the ToS and AUP are so important. You have to get them right and make sure that someone reads and agrees to them when he signs up. You have to make sure that you make it clear that they are signing a contract.. you have to secure yourself and not lose your shirt
11-29-2004, 10:07 AM #3bannersworldGuest
Very intresting topic
11-29-2004, 10:14 AM #4fuzzlepopGuest
Sure is interesting Not being sarcastic either it is actually interesting
11-29-2004, 04:05 PM #5
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It is interesting and could be developed
11-29-2004, 07:38 PM #6000000000Guest
So lets do it. If you know a lose-your-shirt scenerio, add it to this thread.
11-30-2004, 03:07 AM #7
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I will once I get back i know quite a few
12-02-2004, 03:57 AM #8Corptex.comGuest
Lengthy, but a good read.
I like the idea; I'll be back to read some good stories
12-02-2004, 11:12 AM #9fuzzlepopGuest
why shirt it might be shoes, hat and scarf etc....
12-02-2004, 02:27 PM #10NetProSmartGuest
I whould take the offer it was for some new shoes