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04-17-2003, 06:33 PM #1CM-HostGuest
We have been with dedicated hosting companies for almost 3 years now. It's time to on to our own setup, I have seen all the arguments against it but we really want to take this step as a company.
Now, we are familiar with the Red Hat Setup and all the dedicated server administration but really have no clue where to start when it deals with getting connected to the internet on a network setup.
We would like to do this, have two T1 lines come in on the same network, making it so if one T1 goes down, the other is there, also having the traffic distributed between the two lines.
I am not family with a CSU/DSU or any part of this entire setup.
Can someone please point me in the right direction to learn about how to get from the T1 connection to the network setup? I.E. How would we have this T1 line setup and the servers connected to the network?
Any where on the internet that gives setup instructions from step one to finish would be greatly appreciated.
04-18-2003, 10:40 AM #2
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If you plan on having two T1 lines, get them from different providers. Yeah it's nice to have a fractional T3 and get it all from one provider, but look at it like this. Chances are if your first T1 from you provider goes down, all of them are going to go down. Yeah it can be a fluke with the line, and one just goes down for some reason or another, but I would personally get one T1 with one provider and another with a different provider. I have had a T1 for about a year now and the service has been excellent. I have experianced only one downtime and that was for less than 30 minutes as they were upgrading the main router. If I would have had two T1's from that same provider both of them would have been down therefor defeating the purpose of redundancy. The chances of two seperate providers going down at the same time is a little more hard to believe. Make sure they don't use your other provider for the last mile as you might experiance the same problems. Let them know what you are doing and they will do the best to help you load balance your load and have the automatic role over.
My only major warning is make sure you have the capitol to do such a thing. Full T1's aren't cheap. Although you can find some advertised very cheap, look into the company. Ask them what their oversubscribe rate is. If they only have 3 T3's coming in, and they have sold 50 T1's and 3 T3's, do the math. Yeah everyone won't be saturating their lines all the time, but what if they started to? Although you may have a 1.5 megs per second pipe coming your way, you might not ever get that. For instance, I also work for our local public school system. Our current provider provides us with a T3. WOW 45 megs/sec right? WRONG!!!! They oversubscribe their lines sooooooo much that we see 3 megs/sec at BEST. We are about to change providers where we will have 50 megs/sec garunteed . The saying goes, you get what you payed for. Pricing wise you should expect a T1 to run you $1,000 a month (give or take about $200).
As far as the CSU/DSU part of the setup don't worry too much about it. Many of the companies you will select for your setup will provide you with the equipment you will need. For instance with our setup I signed a 5 year contract and got a heavty discount per month. They also included the fiber rack and router. The fiber rack runs about $30,000 (thats the batter backup and everything). The battery backup alone has several car batteries which power it in the event of a power failure. It's enough power to keep everything going for a VERY LONG time (router included). But your provider will provide everything you need to get connected, if not they will help you get what you need to properly connect into their system.
As far as your connection to connect the networks all you need is a network switch. Coming off your router you will get a ethernet cable. Many providers will do everything for you and just hand you an ethernet cable and say here plug it in. Depending on your setup it can be a 10 meg, 10/100, or 10/100/1000 link. Make sure you ask ahead of time and have a switch on the other end that can support what is needed. You literally plug it in and go. I would recommend a firewall of some sort between your network and the internet. This can be a *nix machine runing ipchains. Mandrake Linux makes a great multi-network firewall software package. It costs $1,000 for the software and support, or you can get it free with no support. But there is plenty of help on the internet for that
As far as setup instructions on the internet from start to finish, there aren't any. Everyone sets up their datacenters differently. I have been in search of one to help me out also and haven't found any. I have learned a lot and am willing to share it with you via the phone or IM. Send me a PM and I'll help you along the way.
This is no minor undertaking, yet it can be done with a lot of hard work, blood, sweat, and tears. Did I mention a whole lot of money too???? You are going to need racks, massive battery backups, backup generators, extra parts, switches, and well you get the picture . I have a long list of pro's and con's about many things like switches, firewalls, and servers.
I hope this is of some help in getting started.